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Ncuti Gatwa Doctor Who and spin offs

Susan was supposed to be at the party too, she is 84, there won't be another series till 2027, they are really pushing their luck that she will still be around by then.
 
From what I read, it's Disney that's been dragging their feet on underwriting another season, not BBC. I'm sure BBC doesn't want the franchise to die, so if Disney pulls out, it would just take them that much longer to get the next season locked down.

Disney ruins everything.
 
Stubbornly continuing to use this thread to talk about the fish show nobody cares about:

 
It will change the way the world thinks about fish people.
 
First I've heard of this -- is it a show-show or a mini-webshow? Is it airing soon?
 
It's a show airing in December, Alonso is in it, but he's not playing Alonso
 
I caught half of the second episode. So I have questions that would probably be answered once I watch the whole of the first 2 episodes.

(Although my first question of course is "Where is the Doctor during all this?" and I saw a review that says they don't spend much time bothering to explain why he's unavailble. BUT THAT JUST REINFORCES THAT THIS SPECIAL DOES BELONG IN THE NCUTI THREAD, SINCE HE BARELY APPEARED IN SOME OF HIS OWN EPSIODES EH? LOLSY!

The story so far for me: "Give a hoot - don't pollute! Or your next Filet O'Fish may jump out of its bun and BITE YE LADDIE!"

It's disturbing that at this point, the story has me siding more with the corporate polluters... WAR IT IS! :poop:
 
Where is the spare Tennent Doctor?
 
Wilf is negotiating a peace treaty with the wombles
 
I am very amused to just now discover that there are Doctor Who spin offs that nobody cares about and look bafflingly awful even by the worst standards of previous entries in the franchise.
 
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I am very amused to just now discover that there are Doctor Who spin offs that nobody cares about and look bafflingly awful even by the worst standards of previous entries in the franchise.
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I can name two: K9 & Company, which was fucking awful, and Class, which was like watching paint dry outside during a hot southern summer afternoon.
 
I watched the first two episodes of The War Between The Land And The Sea (I think that's the tilte, not checking) and it was actually not bad. It's clearly going for the same tone as the best season of Torchwood (the one where Jack murders his ginger grandchild) and, while it's not as good as that, I did appreciate the more serious presentation. You can see they actually spent some (of Disney's) money on it too as it looks quite good.

After thinking it was going to be a U.N.I.T. focused show it was funny that the U.N.I.T. characters are really there in a supporting role, like in Doctor Who. Russell Tovey is the main character and, well, he can certainly look confused. I don't know if he's acting or if he just naturally looks like that. He does a bit of "who, me!?" double take comedy stuff that maybe feels at odds with the more serious stuff, but to be honest I think it works better having a new character as the lead rather than Kate. The silly robot U.N.I.T. has in Doctor Who is nowhere to be seen.

Gugu Mbatha-Raw is great at playing an angry fish lady.

So yeah this isn't essential view or anything but so far I'm enjoying it more than a lot of the recent Doctor Who episodes and I wonder if RTD wouldn't rather be writing something more like than standard Who stuff?
 
Episodes 3 and 4 were a mix of "pretty good" and "pretty fucking stupid." I will note that RTD only wrote the first episode (and next week's finale) while episodes 2-4 were written by Pete "Maybe Amazon Are The Good Guys!" McTighe, so that might have something to do with the varying quality.

It continues to look quite nice in with the underwater section being pretty. Gugu Mbatha-Raw continues to be the highlight...though it felt like she was playing a totally different character here than the first two episodes. It was a very entertaining character though. I guess in the first two she was speaking on behalf of her people and this is supposed to be what she's like separated from them. Russell Tovey continues to sometimes be good then sometimes start talking in a comedy "who, me!?" voice. Jemma Redgrave was quite good but the guy playing her fancyman was completely wooden...

Which isn't a problem anymore after the end of episode 3 lol. Maybe she'll learn not to sleep with someone under her command who she sends into life and death situations!

It's weird we never see the UNIT Avengers Tower rip-off HQ in this? They just seem to be working from a basement now?

I found it a bit jarring that nobody mentioned the plastic dumping from the sky thing at all in these two episodes. Wouldn't that have killed thousands of people? Seems like something that would be discussed.

The main issue is it's hard not to compare the political scenes to the similar scenes from The Good Season Of Torchwood and these plae in comparison. You had Peter Capaldi acting his arse off there and here the guy playing the Prime Minister is...just some guy.
 
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Episode 5 was better than the middle three, but I couldn't exactly call the series good. It had some good (sometimes very good) moments, but overall "inconsistant" is the word that springs to mind. It really did feel like it was written by two different people (it was!) who didn't really communicate with each other very well? More stuff happened in the finale than most of the rest of the series put together, so the interesting parts were very rushed.

By far the worst part was all the shadowy conspiracy stuff: as I noted before it paled in comparison to Torchwood's 'Children of Earth'. I never cared about any of the characters involved in it and I struggle to believe that they were able to come up with a virus that killed 90% of the Fish People when they seemed pretty inept prior to that.

I don't think we saw anywhere near enough of Homo Aqua (haha, funny name) as an actual society either. The best scenes with them where the initial scenes of Salt and Barclay facing off, but we never got a scene just showing the fish people on their own. It's hinted that there was a conspiracy thing going on with them too ("tides within tides" Salt said) but it's not expanded upon in any way. I'm not sure what we're even supposed to think about them coming out of the series? At times it seemed like they just wanted humanity to clean up their act and stop polluting the sea (that's good!) but then at the end it turned out they were melting the ice caps themselves to drown us all (that's bad!) Isn't melting the ice caps the kind of thing they were mad at humanity about? If they really did just want to kill us all, why didn't they just use their incredibly advanced technology to do so?

There was one episode (second or first) where Salt briefly turned male and everyone was shocked for a moment like "did that just happen!" Then it's literally never mentioned again. I, of course, know that some amphibians can change sex ("life, uhh, finds a way") but why did they throw that in then not do anything with it? Seems like surely something Barclay would have talked to her about later.

Seriously again why did no one mention the plastic dumping in episode 2 again after it happened?

So, Barclay gets to be a fish now and that's kind of happy, but what about his human daughter? I suppose he can shout up to her through the toilet or something.

Kate is just like completely insane now? Like there's no way so gets to stay on as head of UNIT, surely?
 
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