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Ncuti Gatwa Doctor Who and spin offs
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Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
In total we got 5 years and a mini-reboot, so I guess it was close.
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
He was worried all the gurning would do permanent damage to this face.
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
The first part of the episode I found pretty entertaining. Like it was typical RTD cheating (the cliffhanger is resolved with a literal reset!) but stuff was happening and it was fun and nice to see Anita again (even if she then spent the whole episode standing at a door.) Younger Rani was good in her big scene. Then she dies really early in the episode, so yeah forget her. I'm guessing Omega wasn't a giant skeleton guy in the old series. The Doctor easily defeats him by shooting him with the electric guitar thing so yeah forget him too. I did like that Flood got out (the "two Ranis" line made me lol) and hey maybe she'll explain how she was able to break the fourth wall when she returns lol. Millie Gibson was excellent in the scenes with Conrad and the second half of the episode...
But the second half of the episode really wants us to care about Poppy and - sorry if this makes me an unfeeling monster - I really didn't give much of a fuck about her. Probably not fair when she's a non-verbal toddler but just having all the characters go "NO, POPPY IS SO SPEICAL!" all the time didn't work on me. There was an exchange something like this between Rani and Belinda...
"She's not real! She's made of magic and hope and dreams!"
"That's all children!"
...which I think is lifted almost word for word from a scene between Agatha and Wanda in Wandavision but I can't be bothered checking.
For all of RTD's progressiveness (which I'm fine with!) the way Belinda ends up feels prettty backwards. The Belinda we've been watching all series is overwritten by a Belinda who's all about being a mother and nothing else. Ruby ends up being a much better character, which is a shame since Varada Sethu did good work and I thought was shaping up to be a very strong companion in the first 3 episodes of the series.
Jodie Whittaker was good in her scene with Gatwa so I guess Chinball really was the problem. Gatwa ends up getting 18 episdoes which is only 4 fewer than Tennant or Smith would do in a year. It doesn't feel like enough at all but I don't know if he was axed or decided to leave.
What the fuck was the point of that terrible scene last week with Rogue wearing a leather vest in front of unconvincing green-screened flames? What was with the Doctor seeing his grandaughter Susan in visions in episdoes 6 and 7 then not mentioning it at all here?
I hate the fucking shitty UNIT robot.
I have no desire to see Billie Piper playing The Doctor, but I suspect that isn't the plan. I think they just haven't cast the next Doctor yet so they put her in as a placeholder that will easily be undone with some line about her being a "fibby-gibby false regenation" then she'll turn into Hayley Atwell or Daniel Radcliffe or whatever (it won't be Hayley Atwell or Daniel Radcliffe.)
I guess Russell Tovey's going to fuck a fish woman.
But the second half of the episode really wants us to care about Poppy and - sorry if this makes me an unfeeling monster - I really didn't give much of a fuck about her. Probably not fair when she's a non-verbal toddler but just having all the characters go "NO, POPPY IS SO SPEICAL!" all the time didn't work on me. There was an exchange something like this between Rani and Belinda...
"She's not real! She's made of magic and hope and dreams!"
"That's all children!"
...which I think is lifted almost word for word from a scene between Agatha and Wanda in Wandavision but I can't be bothered checking.
For all of RTD's progressiveness (which I'm fine with!) the way Belinda ends up feels prettty backwards. The Belinda we've been watching all series is overwritten by a Belinda who's all about being a mother and nothing else. Ruby ends up being a much better character, which is a shame since Varada Sethu did good work and I thought was shaping up to be a very strong companion in the first 3 episodes of the series.
Jodie Whittaker was good in her scene with Gatwa so I guess Chinball really was the problem. Gatwa ends up getting 18 episdoes which is only 4 fewer than Tennant or Smith would do in a year. It doesn't feel like enough at all but I don't know if he was axed or decided to leave.
What the fuck was the point of that terrible scene last week with Rogue wearing a leather vest in front of unconvincing green-screened flames? What was with the Doctor seeing his grandaughter Susan in visions in episdoes 6 and 7 then not mentioning it at all here?
I hate the fucking shitty UNIT robot.
I have no desire to see Billie Piper playing The Doctor, but I suspect that isn't the plan. I think they just haven't cast the next Doctor yet so they put her in as a placeholder that will easily be undone with some line about her being a "fibby-gibby false regenation" then she'll turn into Hayley Atwell or Daniel Radcliffe or whatever (it won't be Hayley Atwell or Daniel Radcliffe.)
I guess Russell Tovey's going to fuck a fish woman.
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whisky
Boobie inspector
18 episodes of which he barely appeared in two of them.
I was going to say this is the first doctor to chose to give up his life, but that's what ten did for Wilf.
I'm still now clear what even happened at the end, how does the fictional Poppy that was based on a girl they met a year ago first be the doctors daughter then be a human baby, but still look like the space baby, who was also in the real world in Uganda?
And stop teasing us with Susan and never actually giving her to us.
I was going to say this is the first doctor to chose to give up his life, but that's what ten did for Wilf.
I'm still now clear what even happened at the end, how does the fictional Poppy that was based on a girl they met a year ago first be the doctors daughter then be a human baby, but still look like the space baby, who was also in the real world in Uganda?
And stop teasing us with Susan and never actually giving her to us.
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Jesus Christ Russell you've written like 7 of these series finales now why can't you ever stick the landing?
You got not one but two actually good Ranis and then they just sort of disappear less then half way through the story. You decide to bring back Omega but istead of doing anything actually resembling Omega he's just Big CGI Creature #8 that The Doctor destroys right away. By using a big gun (?????) that was never actually established as being a big gun but now the plot needs it to be a big gun it suddenly is.
Belinda's been an amazing companion this whole season but now she has to spend most of the episode in a box doing The Most Important Thing a Woman Can Do: hold a baby. Remember in literally the previous episode where "Women only exist to get married and have children" was called out as a regressive attitiude but now one episode later it's actally just true. Belinda gets motherhood thrust upon her and it's fine because babies are magical and being a mother was actually what her entire life was for.
And yeah I really didn't give a shit about that fucking baby. Like holy shit, why is so much of this episode about this fucking baby? WHY WAS IT A BABY FROM SPACE BABIES???? That was something that had to be explained away rather than an actual part of the plot... so why is it the same baby???? Does the kid just have a really good agent?
You brought back Carol Ann Ford and put her in the TARDIS set for... that? For that?
It was actually really nice to see Jodie again like I'm actually very happy The Thirteenth Doctor appeared on the screen and my first reaction was "Oh hell yeah she rules".
I don't know why the 2006 season is something RTD can never actually get over but it's so funny imagining RTD rushing for the emergency stunt regeneration button again and just going through the cast from when the show was about The Tenth Doctor and Rose again.
Ncuti was really good and now he's gone already fucking hell. Looking forward to the 23rd Doctor lasting for about half an episode before leaving the show.
You got not one but two actually good Ranis and then they just sort of disappear less then half way through the story. You decide to bring back Omega but istead of doing anything actually resembling Omega he's just Big CGI Creature #8 that The Doctor destroys right away. By using a big gun (?????) that was never actually established as being a big gun but now the plot needs it to be a big gun it suddenly is.
Belinda's been an amazing companion this whole season but now she has to spend most of the episode in a box doing The Most Important Thing a Woman Can Do: hold a baby. Remember in literally the previous episode where "Women only exist to get married and have children" was called out as a regressive attitiude but now one episode later it's actally just true. Belinda gets motherhood thrust upon her and it's fine because babies are magical and being a mother was actually what her entire life was for.
And yeah I really didn't give a shit about that fucking baby. Like holy shit, why is so much of this episode about this fucking baby? WHY WAS IT A BABY FROM SPACE BABIES???? That was something that had to be explained away rather than an actual part of the plot... so why is it the same baby???? Does the kid just have a really good agent?
You brought back Carol Ann Ford and put her in the TARDIS set for... that? For that?
It was actually really nice to see Jodie again like I'm actually very happy The Thirteenth Doctor appeared on the screen and my first reaction was "Oh hell yeah she rules".
I don't know why the 2006 season is something RTD can never actually get over but it's so funny imagining RTD rushing for the emergency stunt regeneration button again and just going through the cast from when the show was about The Tenth Doctor and Rose again.
Ncuti was really good and now he's gone already fucking hell. Looking forward to the 23rd Doctor lasting for about half an episode before leaving the show.
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Also it's very funny that they brought back Anita from the Christmas Special and she spends most of the episode just holding a door open.
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
I think the idea with the baby is this: Conrad makes his wish and it turns the Doctor and Belinda into a trad couple complete with baby. The wish creates the baby out of magic and by plucking the memory of Space Baby Poppy from the Doctor's head. So it's not actually Space Baby Poppy just a half human/half timelord baby that looks like her and has the same name. Then the Doctor alters reality (killing poor Ernest Borgnine again) and now this Poppy has "always" been the human child of Belinda and some guy.
Why Belinda saw Poppy in Nigeria a few weeks ago though I have no idea.
Why Belinda saw Poppy in Nigeria a few weeks ago though I have no idea.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
Ncuti's already done? Fuck!
No way is Billie #16. Maybe she appears as The Moment to herald in the new yet-to-be-cast Doctor, and the Christmas show will be a big "Why won't the new Doctor emerge" caper.
I loved Ncuti's Doctor, but overall the RTD/Ncuti era was a little too fourth-wall breaky-wakey and tv viewer winky-winky. I don't want to say it was too wokey-wokey, but maybe just a pinch. That topic was already deftly addressed in Twice Upon A Time whenever the first Doctor would patronize Bill and Capaldi would cringe.
Oh well. I guess I should watch the episode now...
No way is Billie #16. Maybe she appears as The Moment to herald in the new yet-to-be-cast Doctor, and the Christmas show will be a big "Why won't the new Doctor emerge" caper.
I loved Ncuti's Doctor, but overall the RTD/Ncuti era was a little too fourth-wall breaky-wakey and tv viewer winky-winky. I don't want to say it was too wokey-wokey, but maybe just a pinch. That topic was already deftly addressed in Twice Upon A Time whenever the first Doctor would patronize Bill and Capaldi would cringe.
Oh well. I guess I should watch the episode now...
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Yeeeeaaahhh I get that was the explanation in the show but, like, they could have just cast a different child actor and not needed to do any of that. There was no actual reason it had to be one of the Space Babies other than RTD thought it would be a fun thing to include and then forgot to actually do anything about it.
Honestly if Ncuti had regenerated into Freema Agyeman I would have been 1000% more excited.
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
There should have been a post credit scene where it cuts back to Rogue still standing in front of the fire and he says "I'M STILL BURNING IN HELL, DOCTOR!"
whisky
Boobie inspector
A few more thoughts, Anita spends an entire year with the doctor and dosnt realise he is gay until he seeing him literally kiss another man, then immediately goes off and gets pregnant, because that's what women do.
In a series that is supposed to be championing gay people one is literally sent to hell, the other gives up his own life to save a baby that doesn't turn out to be his, and he does this in the full knowledge that he is sterile.
Bigeneration seems to exist only to set of a two Ronnie's joke.
He claims to have never had children, despite previous RTD doctors saying he was a father and a grandfather, and we see his Granddaughter.
We see the Rani in flashback from the children in need EastEnders crossover, so I guess we are getting closer to the curse of fatal death being cannon, so we could have ended up with Joanna Lumley.
Behind the scenes we hear Gatwa say he only ever intended to do two years, and they filmed all these episodes before season one had even aired, so I guess the ratings wasn't part of the decision, but it seems such a waste.
He and Jodie are still young, so maybe we will see them both back for the 70th?
I was hoping when the doctor woke up in the grass he was going to be near Issac Newton and fix the stupid mavity thing.
Does the release of a Barbie and Ken version of Ruby and the Doctor give us clue towards a doctor cameo in a second Barbie movie?
In a series that is supposed to be championing gay people one is literally sent to hell, the other gives up his own life to save a baby that doesn't turn out to be his, and he does this in the full knowledge that he is sterile.
Bigeneration seems to exist only to set of a two Ronnie's joke.
He claims to have never had children, despite previous RTD doctors saying he was a father and a grandfather, and we see his Granddaughter.
We see the Rani in flashback from the children in need EastEnders crossover, so I guess we are getting closer to the curse of fatal death being cannon, so we could have ended up with Joanna Lumley.
Behind the scenes we hear Gatwa say he only ever intended to do two years, and they filmed all these episodes before season one had even aired, so I guess the ratings wasn't part of the decision, but it seems such a waste.
He and Jodie are still young, so maybe we will see them both back for the 70th?
I was hoping when the doctor woke up in the grass he was going to be near Issac Newton and fix the stupid mavity thing.
Does the release of a Barbie and Ken version of Ruby and the Doctor give us clue towards a doctor cameo in a second Barbie movie?
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
Was Anita not knowing the Doctor's gay a thing in the Christmas episode? Or did RTD just put that in because he loves companions being in love with the Doctor?
Why was she so cheery when she told the Doctor that "the boss" says hi or whatever, when the last time we heard about the boss it was from Beep the Meep and he made them sound really evil? (The answer is RTD doesn't know who "the boss" is yet.)
Why was she so cheery when she told the Doctor that "the boss" says hi or whatever, when the last time we heard about the boss it was from Beep the Meep and he made them sound really evil? (The answer is RTD doesn't know who "the boss" is yet.)
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
The one reason Billie is not the next Doctor, not even temporarily: the closing credits...
"Ncuti Gatwa as The Doctor"
"Jodie Whittaker as The Doctor"
"and Billie Piper"
No "as The Doctor" after her name.
"Ncuti Gatwa as The Doctor"
"Jodie Whittaker as The Doctor"
"and Billie Piper"
No "as The Doctor" after her name.
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
A thing I forgot to mention on Saturday: there's like six different times where the Doctor is reunited with someone in this episode and he's all "It's yoou! You're brilliant, you are!" and hugs them and everything. Then that character goes on to do nothing else in the episode. It was especially noticable with Rose (Donna's daughter) as they make a big deal about how she disappeared because Conrad couldn't imagine her...then she disappears again and nobody notices. I DID MEAN TO POST THIS ON SATUDAY.
However, the reason seems to be that the second part of the episode was all reshoots done in February this year, ten months after the rest of it was shot (I'm just going by a reddit thread here.) The original ending of the episode would have had the Doctor partying in a club with the companions and no regeneration.
(Look how happy she would have been without an unwanted child!)
And then Gatwa asked to be written out because the BBC were dragging their feet on a third series and he wanted to be free to film other things, so they changed half the episode to get to a regeneration. And Rose's actress and Bonnie Langford (who only appeared by video call) weren't available and Ruby didn't get a proper goodbye as a result.
However, the reason seems to be that the second part of the episode was all reshoots done in February this year, ten months after the rest of it was shot (I'm just going by a reddit thread here.) The original ending of the episode would have had the Doctor partying in a club with the companions and no regeneration.
(Look how happy she would have been without an unwanted child!)
And then Gatwa asked to be written out because the BBC were dragging their feet on a third series and he wanted to be free to film other things, so they changed half the episode to get to a regeneration. And Rose's actress and Bonnie Langford (who only appeared by video call) weren't available and Ruby didn't get a proper goodbye as a result.
