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Star Trek Picard season 2
- Thread starter Eggs Mayonnaise
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Rene Picard dies, so they put Raffi in her suit and send her up instead so Raffi can be the Very Firstest Diverse Spaaaaaaayyyyyce Jeeeeeeeeeezis
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
At least John de Lancie was in something good this week.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
Oh.
That's not really surprising. I mean, they did kinda play her off.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
This finale only reinforces the belief that this season was a 2-hour movie stretched out into a 10 episode arc. After spending several episodes revealing things at a turtle's pace, everything is wrapped up neatly and rapidly, ultimately with a minimum of real action or suspense. And yet I watched it attentively and with anticipation, as if it was better than it actually was.
Credit the actors for walking a tightrope, since the story was little more than mawkish, fapping fanfic. Not only was it a repair-the-timeline story, but at the end they added a big scary energy thingy that required a quick technobabble solution.
So many plotholes and head-scratching moments... the main conflict was making sure Renee launches into space to restore the timeline. After half a season of hemming, hawing and dawdling, it turns out all it took was Raffi snipping some wires, Rios playing a quick video game to destroy the drones, and Tallin morphing into Renee while Soong was around. Oh. And even though Tallin died in the effort, she's back in the 'present' and has done a complete renovation of Picard's estate to welcome him home. But if she died before they all came back, how is she there at all? Even if her death in the past didn't prevent her birth and mission to watch Renee, she should still fall into a loop where she dies in the past. Was this just another 'gift' from Q? I said weeks ago that anything that the writers couldn't figure a way out of, they would just have Q magically fix it in the end. Bam.
And since they couldn't stretch the main conflict to fill the whole hour, they threw in the extra conflict of the energy thingy. Which was just a device to show what happened to murderous weirdo Agnes of Borg, who apparently took over the Stargazer to save the quadrant. And she wants to be a fully deputized Federation guardian of the scary energy thing, which suddenly became a transwarp hub. So all is forgiven. She had to become a Borg queen to become a better person. I'd say this transwarp hub thingy was foreshadowing for a plot point in S3, but we already know that Alison Pill won't be appearing, so I guess not. It was just wrapping up another loose thread that had almost been forgotten about. (Question: Is Agnes the only Borg left? Or are there still collectives in other parts of the galaxy that survived?)
Of course Rios stays behind. Of course Elnor is magically alive again. Of course Seven and Raffi end up as... something. As for Q's wrapup... de Lancie made it better than it deserved to be. He should get an award for doing it with a straight face. And yes, I ate it up.
I guess the biggest thing that makes this show kind of foggy is Patrick Stewart. He's not playing Picard so much as some hybrid of Picard and himself. Maybe it was easier for him to do since they rewrote Picard's backstory, I dunno... I'm overthinking.
I don't want to dismiss the whole show, and I'm glad they are doing it and that it will have another season with even more TNG faces. I think knowing ahead of time that the plotting and storytelling are going to suck balls is kind of freeing. We can just turn off our brains and enjoy the fanfic, and be glad to be reunited with these characters one more time... or something.
Credit the actors for walking a tightrope, since the story was little more than mawkish, fapping fanfic. Not only was it a repair-the-timeline story, but at the end they added a big scary energy thingy that required a quick technobabble solution.
So many plotholes and head-scratching moments... the main conflict was making sure Renee launches into space to restore the timeline. After half a season of hemming, hawing and dawdling, it turns out all it took was Raffi snipping some wires, Rios playing a quick video game to destroy the drones, and Tallin morphing into Renee while Soong was around. Oh. And even though Tallin died in the effort, she's back in the 'present' and has done a complete renovation of Picard's estate to welcome him home. But if she died before they all came back, how is she there at all? Even if her death in the past didn't prevent her birth and mission to watch Renee, she should still fall into a loop where she dies in the past. Was this just another 'gift' from Q? I said weeks ago that anything that the writers couldn't figure a way out of, they would just have Q magically fix it in the end. Bam.
And since they couldn't stretch the main conflict to fill the whole hour, they threw in the extra conflict of the energy thingy. Which was just a device to show what happened to murderous weirdo Agnes of Borg, who apparently took over the Stargazer to save the quadrant. And she wants to be a fully deputized Federation guardian of the scary energy thing, which suddenly became a transwarp hub. So all is forgiven. She had to become a Borg queen to become a better person. I'd say this transwarp hub thingy was foreshadowing for a plot point in S3, but we already know that Alison Pill won't be appearing, so I guess not. It was just wrapping up another loose thread that had almost been forgotten about. (Question: Is Agnes the only Borg left? Or are there still collectives in other parts of the galaxy that survived?)
Of course Rios stays behind. Of course Elnor is magically alive again. Of course Seven and Raffi end up as... something. As for Q's wrapup... de Lancie made it better than it deserved to be. He should get an award for doing it with a straight face. And yes, I ate it up.
I guess the biggest thing that makes this show kind of foggy is Patrick Stewart. He's not playing Picard so much as some hybrid of Picard and himself. Maybe it was easier for him to do since they rewrote Picard's backstory, I dunno... I'm overthinking.
I don't want to dismiss the whole show, and I'm glad they are doing it and that it will have another season with even more TNG faces. I think knowing ahead of time that the plotting and storytelling are going to suck balls is kind of freeing. We can just turn off our brains and enjoy the fanfic, and be glad to be reunited with these characters one more time... or something.
whisky
Boobie inspector
Eggs nailed it, the series is a shit sandwich, with a good episode at the start and at the end, nothing but crap in the middle.
I'm surprised they wrapped it up so neatly at the end when they filmed this and season three back to back.
I hope they aren't all travellers next season.
I'm surprised they wrapped it up so neatly at the end when they filmed this and season three back to back.
I hope they aren't all travellers next season.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
Isn't is ironic that Wesley's appearance was the most concise, interesting and least cringe scene in the episode.
It was, I hate to admit, simultaneously ingenious and pretty cringey (in a 'riding TOS's coattails' sort of way) that they decided that the "advanced aliens" the Supervisors worked for turned out to be the Travelers. Also a bit of a reach; we only ever saw one of them. At the same time, it makes sense that Weasley ended up becoming one.
I still don't buy them killing off Q with the rest of the Continuum not flipping their shit over it like they did in "Death Wish" / "The Q And The Grey."
I still don't buy them killing off Q with the rest of the Continuum not flipping their shit over it like they did in "Death Wish" / "The Q And The Grey."
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Oh fuck off Wil Wheaton
I wonder how many people gave their tv or computer display the obligatory, "Shut up, Wesley!" when he appeared. I know I did. :bigass:
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
The finale showed that they at least did have a plan and some answers to why all this stuff was happening. Except I feel the plan consisted of writing episodes one and ten then thinking "I guess we can have eight episodes of them just hanging around doing shit in between!"
De Lancie was good again but why did we get so little Q all season? Why is he dying? What happened to the rest of the Continuum, including his wife and son? Why didn't he get any zany comedy stuff? They had ten episodes!
The FBI agent episode was COMPLETELY POINTLESS as he never came back to help in the finale.
What was the point of giving Raffi emotional catharsis with the hologram Elnor last week when real Elnor just came back to life anyway?
Rios chooses to stay in the 21st century when he knows World War 3 is about to start in a couple of years! But it's okay, he dies in a bar fight.
Whoopi Goldberg semed to forget how to act between the first and last episode. She felt a bit like Guinan in the premiere, here it was like she just walked in off the street, read her lines in her normal voice, and fucked off.
"Project Khan" better not be fucking setting up another fucking spinoff about fucking Khan, fuck.
I guess Wheaton's years of ass-kissing finally paid off with whatever the fuck that scene with Kore was. Why would a Traveler have to use a transporter beam?
It's a shame Alison Pill isn't returning because she's a good actress, but I'm relieved for her that she won't have to go through whatever the fuck they did to her face this episode again.
Tallin is Laris (the 25th century Orla Brady character)'s ancestor. They're not the same person. So I guess she had kids on Romulus before Wesley took her off to be a Traveler or whatever. They look identical because the show is now commited to this fucking stupid thing where every member of a family looks identical, even centuries apart, and often have identical personalities.
Remember when everyone complained about how Darth Vader creating 3PO made the Star Wars universe feel too small (and yeah it's one of the few bad things in legit great movie TPM!)? Well fucking Picard has taken "small universe" to the next level! Picard's grandmother and Rios's adopted son solve the environmental crisis together! Data's grandfather is responsible for Khan! I'm surprised they didn't have a scene of Seven telling a young Zefram Cochrane "have you ever thought of building a space ship?"
De Lancie was good again but why did we get so little Q all season? Why is he dying? What happened to the rest of the Continuum, including his wife and son? Why didn't he get any zany comedy stuff? They had ten episodes!
The FBI agent episode was COMPLETELY POINTLESS as he never came back to help in the finale.
What was the point of giving Raffi emotional catharsis with the hologram Elnor last week when real Elnor just came back to life anyway?
Rios chooses to stay in the 21st century when he knows World War 3 is about to start in a couple of years! But it's okay, he dies in a bar fight.
Whoopi Goldberg semed to forget how to act between the first and last episode. She felt a bit like Guinan in the premiere, here it was like she just walked in off the street, read her lines in her normal voice, and fucked off.
"Project Khan" better not be fucking setting up another fucking spinoff about fucking Khan, fuck.
I guess Wheaton's years of ass-kissing finally paid off with whatever the fuck that scene with Kore was. Why would a Traveler have to use a transporter beam?
It's a shame Alison Pill isn't returning because she's a good actress, but I'm relieved for her that she won't have to go through whatever the fuck they did to her face this episode again.
Tallin is Laris (the 25th century Orla Brady character)'s ancestor. They're not the same person. So I guess she had kids on Romulus before Wesley took her off to be a Traveler or whatever. They look identical because the show is now commited to this fucking stupid thing where every member of a family looks identical, even centuries apart, and often have identical personalities.
Remember when everyone complained about how Darth Vader creating 3PO made the Star Wars universe feel too small (and yeah it's one of the few bad things in legit great movie TPM!)? Well fucking Picard has taken "small universe" to the next level! Picard's grandmother and Rios's adopted son solve the environmental crisis together! Data's grandfather is responsible for Khan! I'm surprised they didn't have a scene of Seven telling a young Zefram Cochrane "have you ever thought of building a space ship?"
whisky
Boobie inspector
So I guess chateaux Piccard was outside the blast radius of the nuke that leveled Paris.
600 million seems a low number for world war 3, or did they only blow up cities with recognisable landscapes?
Nice to know with all that destruction they still managed to put everything back the way it was afterwards.
600 million seems a low number for world war 3, or did they only blow up cities with recognisable landscapes?
Nice to know with all that destruction they still managed to put everything back the way it was afterwards.
SAUSAGEMAN
Registered User
"600,000 species of animals and plants, and 30% of earth's population". 2-3 billion, not 600 million.
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
To be fair, the "600 million dead" number for WWIII comes from First Contact originally.
Major Grin is fuckin' swell. 
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
Oh it didn't make sense at all, but like I said upthread somewhere at least it wasn't Discovery.