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Star Trek Picard season 2
- Thread starter Eggs Mayonnaise
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CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
Or his cat who cuold turn into a woman for some reason.
Loktar
Internet God
I don't know either, but it's fun to guess. I'm thinking it could also somehow be Hugh, Icheb, or the Romulan kid that died(Elani?).
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
Who's the last real person you know who was named Hugh? Outside of fictional characters the only one I can think of is the dude who played Ward Cleaver.
Loktar
Internet God
Hugh Hefner.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
You mean besides Hugh Jackman? Hugh Grant? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Dancy? Hugh Bonneville?
CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
Hugh Jass.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
There were an asston of Easter Eggs and references in this one, several of them pretty lolworthy in a good way. Enjoyed.
Least credible thing about this season: an immigration raid in California. As if they'd even bother.
Okay, more pertinent beef:
Where the fuck is Robert Picard? We've had at least two major flashback sequences into Picard's childhood, and in neither of them has there been any trace of his older brother Robert.
Additional pertinent beef: Guinan already knew Picard. She met him in San Francisco in the 1880s.
These two things suggest to me that Star Trek: Picard is not, in fact, set in the prime timeline.
Where the fuck is Robert Picard? We've had at least two major flashback sequences into Picard's childhood, and in neither of them has there been any trace of his older brother Robert.
Additional pertinent beef: Guinan already knew Picard. She met him in San Francisco in the 1880s.
These two things suggest to me that Star Trek: Picard is not, in fact, set in the prime timeline.
MODMAN
Well-known member
Well, that took a hard nosedive after a stellar start and two solid / okay installments.
When Picard exclaimed "Guinan!", my first thought was "racist!", because obviously that's not Guinan you silly ol' positronic todger. But then words started to be exchanged and I'm like "oh, it's Guinan".
Guinan with some 'tude.
So the argument is: because they originate from the future Confederation timeline, Prime Picard never went back and met Guinan. That's fine. But I'm hard pressed to believe Picard would have that all figured out. If he'd said "Guinan, it's me - Picard. Don't you remember ... " yadda yadda, it would've gone a long way. Instead, I was distracted throughout thinking what a pack of idiots the writers were in missing out on Time's Arrow.
The showrunner and the actress playing the recast Guinan have since confirmed Time's Arrow was not overlooked. Still, my point re: Picard still stands.
I think this is a troll from Terry Matalas; no way he wouldn't have been aware of the reaction he'd provoke.
When Picard exclaimed "Guinan!", my first thought was "racist!", because obviously that's not Guinan you silly ol' positronic todger. But then words started to be exchanged and I'm like "oh, it's Guinan".
Guinan with some 'tude.
So the argument is: because they originate from the future Confederation timeline, Prime Picard never went back and met Guinan. That's fine. But I'm hard pressed to believe Picard would have that all figured out. If he'd said "Guinan, it's me - Picard. Don't you remember ... " yadda yadda, it would've gone a long way. Instead, I was distracted throughout thinking what a pack of idiots the writers were in missing out on Time's Arrow.
The showrunner and the actress playing the recast Guinan have since confirmed Time's Arrow was not overlooked. Still, my point re: Picard still stands.
I think this is a troll from Terry Matalas; no way he wouldn't have been aware of the reaction he'd provoke.
Not with Guinan, it isn't. Yesterday's Enterprise established that she's aware of divergent timelines. Although Yesterday's Enterprise never explains the nature or cause of that awareness, she displays it. Generations offers a possible, inferential explanation: her proximity to that Nexus thingamadick. Even if we say, "Well, she wouldn't have ended up there because there was no Enterprise-B..." nope. Still doesn't pan out. Even in this "Confederation" timeline, she would have been on one of the El Aurian ships that encountered the Nexus. It was the El Aurians sending a distress call that prompted the Enterprise-B to show up there. No Enterprise-B, no rescue... but the El Aurians are still there, Guinan still interacts with the Nexus -- and that's even assuming that the Nexus is what caused her to have an awareness of timeline breakage, rather than that simply being an intrinsic ability El Aurians possess as a species.
She should still have known Picard from their meeting in the 1800s, even if it hadn't happened in this new timeline.
Pretty funny, though, that they didn't de-age Whoopi Goldberg for this episode. Guess you can CGI-airbrush away wrinkles, but not pounds. I can hear the visual FX guys going, "Yeah, no, we're not even going to attempt that."
MODMAN
Well-known member
No disagreement from me on that front.
What I'd have suggested to the Picard writers (haw, there's a larf, me in that writers' room) would have been as follows:
First, that they watch this:
Then I'd have suggested a rewrite, as follows: That same energy from Guinan, but amplified. When she first sees Picard, she reacts like the cat in the old cat-sees-a-cucumber prank; well, maybe a touch more subdued, but same idea. Because Picard isn't supposed to be there; since he is there, it means the timeline's fucked up. She might even react with the same mistrust and borderline hostility we saw in the episode -- not because Picard's a stranger, but because she's worried that any interaction between them could worsen the damage to the timeline.
Who knows, maybe one of the writers lurks here (Unnnnn-likely!) will read this thread (Unnnnn-possible!) and will talk the rest of the room into retconning this post into a future episode where Guinan tells Picard, "Well, aaaackshually, I totally knew who you were, I just didn't want the two of us to fuck shit up even worse than it already was." (LOLOLOL I'm just bein' funny now.)
First, that they watch this:
Then I'd have suggested a rewrite, as follows: That same energy from Guinan, but amplified. When she first sees Picard, she reacts like the cat in the old cat-sees-a-cucumber prank; well, maybe a touch more subdued, but same idea. Because Picard isn't supposed to be there; since he is there, it means the timeline's fucked up. She might even react with the same mistrust and borderline hostility we saw in the episode -- not because Picard's a stranger, but because she's worried that any interaction between them could worsen the damage to the timeline.
Who knows, maybe one of the writers lurks here (Unnnnn-likely!) will read this thread (Unnnnn-possible!) and will talk the rest of the room into retconning this post into a future episode where Guinan tells Picard, "Well, aaaackshually, I totally knew who you were, I just didn't want the two of us to fuck shit up even worse than it already was." (LOLOLOL I'm just bein' funny now.)
whisky
Boobie inspector
I am fine with Picard not meeting Guinan in the past because his future never happened, but someone clearly hurt the punk in the past and it's unlikely to have been Spock, did Kirk judo chop him?
You could spend hours speculating how Kirk still managed to solve problems with no Spock around.
He'll there wouldn't even have been Ilea.
You could spend hours speculating how Kirk still managed to solve problems with no Spock around.
He'll there wouldn't even have been Ilea.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
It happened again. The episode ended and I thought it went by way too fast, as if there was another half still to come.
I think most of what seems to be timeline plotholes are explainable, they just haven't explained them yet. My nitpicks are with Seven's familiarity with driving, and Agnes using the phrase "hit the brakes" as if it was still in use in the future.
So Q has temporarily lost his powers? Probably a convenient plot device so that the timeline restoration falls completely on the Picard gang's shoulders (with no quick fix) and can be stretched out to the rest of the season. But it begs the question, why bring Q back at all?
I think most of what seems to be timeline plotholes are explainable, they just haven't explained them yet. My nitpicks are with Seven's familiarity with driving, and Agnes using the phrase "hit the brakes" as if it was still in use in the future.
So Q has temporarily lost his powers? Probably a convenient plot device so that the timeline restoration falls completely on the Picard gang's shoulders (with no quick fix) and can be stretched out to the rest of the season. But it begs the question, why bring Q back at all?
whisky
Boobie inspector
I don't remember much of the Q civil war, but if he did something that stopped voyager from helping out maybe the source of his power has gone now?
Maybe Tom Paris taught her how to drive, didn't they find a pickup in space at one point?
Even spaceships have breaks, that's why the tail on the shuttle used to split open after they landed.
Maybe Tom Paris taught her how to drive, didn't they find a pickup in space at one point?
Even spaceships have breaks, that's why the tail on the shuttle used to split open after they landed.